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Informant wrote:

If there were two of everyone though, wouldn't they have known this when the Oceanic 6 went home? In the non-crash timeline we saw, it is still 2004.

Hmm, good point. Unless maybe after the bomb went off all the people on island moved from the 70's to 2004? But then the sunken island and regular would be in the same spot. Hmm, maybe my theory doesn't hold water.

I think Claire is alive, and apparently, one tough cookie!

I can't believe that I didn't comment on this episode. I guess I've been busy talking about other shows this week, so it just slipped my mind.

Seeing Claire and Kate back in the real world was cool, but when Ethan showed up I gasped. Didn't see that coming. I wonder if the people who made it off of the island in the sub remained loyal to Dharma and just took it elsewhere, or if the group fell apart and went their own ways. Is alternate Ethan a plant of some kind? Maybe Aaron is key to bringing the island back? Or Ethan being there was just a coincidence.

I'm not sure what it means to be claimed. I don't think it's the same as Locke's form being taken, because Locke's body is still there and dead. So I think that it means that the person has been corrupted somehow. Something has been taken from them and what remains is something darker than they would normally be, but they are still themselves. So Claire is Claire, but she's a version of Claire who has had something taken from her. Maybe Aaron is that missing piece somehow? And Nadia would have been Sayid's, except she was killed (at least in that timeline).

Last season, we saw Danielle's group get "infected" by Smokey at the temple, right? So what's that all about?

Is it possible that Rousseau was "claimed" too? Claire, from what little we saw of her, was a lot like Rousseau, and Rousseau also lost her child. True, she didn't leave Alex and just wander off into the jungle, but we're not entirely sure what did happen with Claire, are we?


I'm thinking that in order for Claire or Sayid to be possessed by someone, that entity could only take one of them. Unless there are even more parties than we know about, there's just Jacob and Smokey, right? Smokey is Locke at the moment. Jacob seems to be dead, but assuming he could take someone's body... Claire vanished a long time before he died. I don't know. I think that "infected" or "claimed" means that they are changed, but still themselves.

Man John Locke has no luck....something happened to the rest of my post!  Anyway, had to rewrite it.

I like the other Hurley much better!  I was really happy and surprised to see Katey Sagal, I love her character, and I really like the real John Locke.  Terry O'Quinn is just fantastic.  Love how Ben Linus shows up anyway.  The whole alternate universe is rarely well done, but this show does it better than any I've ever seen.  Why the heck are they ending it?  Ha ha ha. 

Back on the island, now who is this stupid blond haired kid?  At first I was thinking Aaron, you never know.

Last edited by Grizzlor (2010-02-17 7:52 pm)

Informant wrote:

I keep trying to figure out how the island being destroyed could ripple in a way that Locke's life was changed so much. How is he in a wheelchair, but friendly with his father? Are we sure that Helen was talking about his biological father? Maybe in this new timeline he had an adopted father that he stayed close to?

Perhaps...but Anthony Cooper is too entangled in Locke's life to be completely removed.  Remember that it was Cooper's theft of John's kidney that led Locke to Helen (at the anger management meetings), and it was Cooper who caused John's paralysis.

That means both events had to have happened independently of Cooper.  But if they did, that means that Sawyer's parents could also be alive (if Cooper is a changed man, completely).

As far as the candidate stuff goes, I'm wondering if the "Kwon" isn't Jin...and the omission of Kate and Sun are simply because they're female.  And maybe Jacob's position simply has a glass ceiling.

But do we really know where the numbers came from?  I suppose it's possible that they've always been connected to those six individuals, but how did they permeate to characters who, seemingly, have nothing to do with Jacob?  Like the Dharma people and Hurley's friend from the mental hospital?  I think there's still some explanation needed on them...althought it seems like the names are certainly connected to the final answer.

Guess what numbers add up to 108?

A really impressive episode, so many things going on.  It's amazing they consolidate all of it into a script.

Info, the number 108 was I guess linked to a person named Wallace?  Good memory on the hatch computer number.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates

The end was so creepy! I kept thinking "Kate, run!"
It's strange because we've known Sayid and Claire for so long, and now both actors are managing to pull off this sudden switch that makes them totally unknown. I didn't know whether Claire was going to turn around and shoot Kate dead, or accept Kate's story about what happened with Aaron. I don't know if they're completely bad, or if there's something else to it. For example, when Dogen was talking about the test of Sayid's good or evil-ness tipping the wrong way, he never said that it tipped toward evil. Is it possible that Dogen has a grudge against Jacob because of the compromise that he needed to make in order to bring his son back?

Jacob told Hurley to bring Sayid to the temple. This was after Jacob died, so Jacob knew that if he was responsible for the water's good healing, that would be gone. We also know that it wasn't necessarily the water that restored Sayid, so we can't really assume that the water's corruption is reflected in Sayid now. Could Sayid be a double agent? Why else would he have simply stood by when Claire was marched through the temple, toward the hole?

Maybe I just don't want to believe that Sayid is beyond redemption after everything he's tried to do in the past, overcoming his own history. I'd like to think that there's a way to save Claire as well. Perhaps reuniting her with Aaron would do that, because losing him is the core of her corruption and why she can be so easily manipulated. But again, she left Aaron alone. She wandered off. She wasn't corrupted over time, we saw her in the cabin, laughing. But then, why would she think that someone stole Aaron? What happens if she finds out that the non-Locke is responsible for taking Aaron from her?

While watching Sayid's flash sideways, I started to wonder, what if this alternate reality is the box that the Others referenced when they had Locke and brought his father to him? What if it is the place where they can pluck people and things from and bring them to the island? Or what if it's a result of one such wish? Yes, Locke's father hasn't mysteriously vanished from that world, but that wouldn't have happened for a few months yet... There's a lot that doesn't make sense with the theory, but I had to throw it out there.

So Jin was on his way to deliver a watch to Keamy? Interesting and completely unexpected. Now I want to see how Jin gets from the airport to the freezer and what happens to him after Sayid gets him out.

Sayid's flash sideways was cool because we got to see Sayid with some sort of outside life. Even when he was one of the Oceanic 6, he was out there hunting people. This time he had a family and, yes, he did end up killing people and there was all kinds of other drama, but we got to see him with a hint of a normal life. That was kinda cool. We haven't seen much of Omer before. I'd forgotten that he even existed, to be honest. Nice way to bring him back though.

Is there a chance that some of the visits by Jacob weren't really Jacob?  Maybe the Monster got Nadia killed so that he could use Sayid later?

Probably not...since the Monster apparently can't leave the Island (and hasn't been able to take the form of a "living" person).  But it's something to consider.

The alternate idea is that everything Jacob is doing is for a reason.  He gets Sayid brought to the Temple so that he can kill Dogen and allow the Monster to ransack it.  It's a little bit like Christian mythology that states that the Devil will get to rule the Earth for a time before God eventually throws him in a pit of fire.  It might be what they're going for, although my friend who went to seminary doesn't think they're following a Judeo-Christian template.  More of an Eastern religion one.

So I thought of something and I wanted to bounce it off you guys.  Two thoughts on how it could end.

1. Potential thought on the flash-sideways - it might be some kind of "choose your own destiny" idea at the end...where each person on the Island can choose which life to live.  Jack, for example, can choose to live his life as he knows it or "switch" to his life off-Island with David.  I'm not sure how it would be presented, but it would be a way to incorporate that world into the "main" one.

2. If the Monster and Jacob are both looking for "replacements" - what if that's what happened.  Jacob is replaced by Jack and the Monster replaced by Sawyer.  So the final scene of the show is something like:

JACK sits cooking a fish looking out into the ocean.  After a few minutes, SAWYER arrives.

JACK
Want some fish?

SAWYER
Do you know how badly I want to kill you right now?

JACK
When you find a loophole, you know where to find me.

Or something like that.  Circle complete.

There must be a physical connection between the "realities," given Juliette's paranormal assertion that the Faraday plan "worked."  I just hope they don't end it in some kind of vague, open-ended nonsense.  I'll be annoyed if that's the choice.  I think, given Lindelhof's and Cuse's assertions in the past, that there will be a definitive ending.

I agree about the show just staying true to itself. I hate when TV shows try to go out with a bang, and in the process, they completely lose tough with everything that we liked about the show in the first place.

Maybe the two worlds will come together, with some sideways character joining either team. In the end, we'll have two teams of all the main characters, but they'll be blended from the two different worlds. Sayid against Sayid...

Wait, that would probably be lame. I don't know.